Interview with Jerry Pippin
3/11/06, Jerry talked with Paola Harris, internationally acclaimed UFO
her recent video recorded interview with Paul Hellyer, former Canadian
Minister of Defense. Paola talked to Jerry from her home in Rome, Italy about
the future of Exo-Politics worldwide, and why she thinks the Hellyer interview
is so important.
News from Paola
We only see what we learned to believe is reality. When the humankind will be able to look through this other window and will look at reality with new eyes, perceiving the real universe we live in, we will go insane or we will evolve. There are no alternatives.
Exclusive Interview with Maurizio Cavallo
Contactee or abducted? Maurizio Cavallo's life enigma is part of this extraordinary interview. Paola Harris and Maurizio Cavallo talking about a very sensitive issue, the photographs he says he took of the alien beings he allegedly met. Paola Harris urges him with more detailed questions.
Paola Harris: I'm only an investigator of those who claim they had experiences. My duty is to do a good job and to faithfully report what witnesses say, because only the correct information should reach people, with no distortions.
Maurizio Cavallo: I felt obliged to tell my experience after eleven years of silence to relate what happened to me and could happen also to other people. Something that brought an inner, complete transformation in me, in my life and in my family. But after I regreted doing it because, though I met many open minded people, beautiful and great personalities who wanted and wish to know the truth, I found also a lot of wickedness. I met with people who were selfishly driven by personal aims and they disgusted me. I have met also unstable people, really insane people. Two months ago I hosted here, after many telephone calls, a guy who presented himself as the chief commander of the extraterrestrial fleet and, to demonstrate he was a real alien, he showed me what he called a laser beam, but it was only a Chinese pocket torch with some small lights on it. These things really upset me.
Paola Harris: How do you get rid of those kinds of visitors?
Maurizio Cavallo: It was my intention to invite him for lunch as I usually do with the people I meet for the first time, to treat them like friends, like people dear to me...but, when I realized what kind of person he was, despite all my best intentions, I had to invent an unexpected appointment. I hate to lie. I love to be frank. Also if sometimes I sound a little rough, I like to be outspoken, I can't stand a world built of lies but, in some cases you have to protect yourself. That man was a dangerous person. Paola Harris: There are also people who wish to consider you a guru, how do you manage them in these situations?
Maurizio Cavallo: I cause them to dislike me. It means that, if they think I can give something to them, if they ask me to teach something to them-and I have always been very clear about it- I tell them that I am not a guru and I cannot teach them anything apart from my personal experience. If they will be able to learn something from my experience, I will be happy but I cannot teach them anything because I am still learning. And when I say that they often have a negative reaction because they feel betrayed. They start to treat me like someone who doesn' want to give them what they consider a property of their own. From when my experience started in 1981 I have become a person who can be loved, but can be hated as well.
Paola Harris: In 1981 you were married, you had children?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, I was married and I had two children, the girl was seven years old and the boy was four.
Paola Harris: Did everything happen all of a sudden?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes. I had had some experiences like many people, I had seen strange lights in the sky but that night, the night of the abduction, it fell upon me all of a sudden. I did not expect anything like that and from that moment, everything has changed for me.
Paola Harris: I noticed you used the word "abduction". Do you call it an abduction or a contact?
Maurizio Cavallo: I call it abduction.
Paola Harris: Because it happened against your will?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, I did not want it, they obliged me. I was at home. The whole story is in my book, all the dramatic moments I had to live. I was at home and I felt...I started to feel physically sick, feverish and suddenly I heard an internal and imperious voice ordering me to go out, to go back to the hills of Monferrato where we had been the night before for a walk with some friends of mine. After dinner in a Pizzeria we had gone for a walk on those hills for ten miles, more or less, from Vercelli. We had left our cars and we had started to walk when we saw a globe of light, red like a fire, which descended behind some trees giving us the impression it was landing. We were all very excited and went in that direction to see what was happening. It was deep night and the ground was rocky and difficult so we gave up and went back home. As soon as I came home I started to feel sick. I felt warm, I felt cold, I felt feverish. At first time I thought it was caused by poor digestion. I thought I had eaten something that had made me sick. I could not sleep and I started to hear that voice complelling me and ordering me to take my car again and to go back to the hills. In that moment I started a titanic fight, an incredible fight. I tried to wake up my wife to tell her I was sick and I had to go out, but my wife went on sleeping as if she was under the effect of some drug. In my book I talk in detail of a particularly strange experience. It was like my house was entrapped in something...I don't know how to define it. It was also like being frozen. I don't know if that is the correct word.. I went to the bathroom to have a glass of water, the glass slipped from my hand and fell on the ground but it fell in slow motion, very, very slowly.
Paola Harris: Time had stopped?
Maurizio Cavallo: It was a Saturday night and the street was full of the noise of a holiday night, but in my house everything was silent. When the glass broke in pieces on the ground I heard no noise. Everything was crystallized. It was like time had slowed down. It is obvious it was an abduction because I did not want to go. The more I resisted that order, the more the pain in my head increased. I noticed that when I began to take the car and to go to the hills my pain lowered, but when, on the contrary, I thought I wanted to stay home, my pain increased, stronger than before. It was a form of constraint, this is the reason why I say it was an abduction. If they had asked me to go with them I had answered no.
Paola Harris: At that time it looked a bad experience. And what now, in 2007?
Maurizio Cavallo: Today not. Also in my book I say that those who were my contollers, I call them abductors, those who imprisoned me, were the same ones who gave me my new freedom. Paola Harris: They showed you a new truth.
Maurizio Cavallo: They showed me that Cosmos is not what we believe, that life is not what we live, that everything we call reality is a pure illusion. They opened for me a window on Cosmos, they brought me to the edge of madness and they destroyed the Maurizio of the past. The old Maurizio existed no more, they had skinned him, lapidated him but they had permitted to the new Maurizio to look beyond the borders of what we call reality. They gave me an immense gift, They gave me freedom.
Paola Harris: But you had to pay a high prize...
Maurizio Cavallo: A very high prize. See, when I understand that these people come to me waiting for something, treating me like a guru, I always say that I have no truth to give them. I only have my own truth and it belongs to me completely. I feel upset when I realize that this truth, so strong in my mind, can be manipulated...Not everyone can understand.
Paola Harris: Of course, we are on planet Earth. We are human beings, a peculiar race. We are growing up but you are trying to bring us from elementary school straight to secondary school but we cannot jump that way It is a slow process.It happened to you, they made you able...
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, but perhaps I had been trained for it before. Paola Harris: That's exactly what I wanted to ask you.
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, because I realized that nothing happens by chance, my mother had been abducted too.
Paola Harris: How did you know it?
Maurizio Cavallo: They showed me some images, something like recorded images. They showed me images in a sort of monolith, in a ruby-red pyramid used like a screen. I saw images of a girl walking in a graveyard, at first sight I could not recognize her and they told me: " It's obvious you can't recognize her, she is your mother when she was a girl; she knew the secrets of the stars too."This means that they have programmed us.
Paola Harris: Did you mother talk to you about it? Did she ever ask you something?
Maurizio Cavallo: My mother died when I was thirteen. I had a special relationship with her, very intense. We had no need to talk. She looked at me and I understood, I looked at her and she understood. I cannot remember any dialogue with my mother but we had a complete relationship. When she died I missed her very much and my pain was beareable. I could not feel the intense pain you feel in you mind and your body when you lose somebody, I was quiet because I knew nine months before she had to die.
Paola Harris: How did she die?
Maurizio Cavallo: She had had low blood pressure but the doctor had misunderstood her symptoms for high blood pressure symptoms and had prescribed some medicine to lower her blood pressure more. She had taken them faithfully and her heart gave out so she had to be hospitalized and her condition worsened quickly. When she entered the hospital, nine months before her death, I knew she was going to die. I was sure of it and I was waiting for that moment quietly. I was sure that, in any case, nothing could have parted her from me. At that time I was thirteen and I believed in God, the Catholic God and, of course I prayed for my mother, I prayed to God to let her live and to heal her. When my mother died I became very angry with God because I had previously believed that God listened to all our prayers. From that moment I said:" You don't exist, you don't exist because you didn't listen to me."
As time passed and thanks to the experience I had in 1981 I started to think in a different way. I understood that a Divine Mind exists but it is completely different from the image we are used to. A Divine Mind exists but not all our prayers can be heard because there are programs and our life and death are only some roots of these programs. With my mother I have always had a perfect relationship. That night they showed me my mother when she was a girl.
Paola Harris: Did they ever show your mother alive?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, I met her. Paola Harris: I know they brought you to Clarion. Did you meet her on the Earth or on Clarion?
Maurizio Cavallo: I saw her at home. One night they told me I would be having a pleasant visit. At first I thought I was dreaming because I was in my bed and I was sleeping but after I realized I was awake. I saw my mother not with the appearance that I remembered. She was physically different. I knew she was my mother but she did not look like her.
Paola Harris: How did she look?
Maurizio Cavallo: She looked much younger, we did not talk to each other but she made a gesture that was her typical gesture, a wave of her hand that my mother used only with me, she smiled at me and that's all.
Paola Harris: Was it like a dream?
Maurizio Cavallo: No, at first time I thought I was dreaming because I was in my bed, but after I realized I was not because I left the bed to go towards her but she moved her hand to stop me, she smiled at me and made that gesture so typical. When we were babies and went to bed she made that gesture to say good night. In that moment I felt I had to go back to bed and I had to sleep again. I am sure it was not a dream.
Paola Harris: Inhabitants of Clarion are made of flesh and blood? Did you ever meet them in the streets?
Maurizio Cavallo: I have met them at the supermarket.
Paola Harris: Were they doing the shopping?
Maurizio Cavallo: No, we had a meeting there...People don't have to believe in what I say, they only have to think about what I am relating and ask themselves if there could be something true in it. If their conscience gives them the feeling that all this could be real, they could start to interrogate themselves till the big question: "ARE WE ALONE?" My photographs are not a proof, also because I do no spread them: I have photos of UFO, of aliens. This is a photo of Suell, I talk about him in my book.
Paola Harris: He could well walk among us!
Maurizio Cavallo: He walks among us. I met him in a big city I cannot mention, he gave me a little black card emitting some impulses that told me to do or not to do certain things. At a certain moment I felt I had to take a train to go to a town where I had to meet some of them.
While I was travelling I asked myself:" But why do I have to take a train while, in other occasions, they just abducted me?" Perhaps it was a trial, something I could not understand. When I arrived to that town I plainly met the same person I had already met on a magnetic ship, a UFO.
Paola Harris: Which was the place of the appointment?
Maurizio Cavallo: I knew I had to go to a bar and wait for them. Hours did pass. Time was passing by, nobody was arriving and I begun to be anxious. I begun to think I had invented all that thing...after a long, long time, Suell arrived, happy as a child, asking me: " Hello, were you waiting for a long time?" Everything is in my book.
Paola Harris: Is he normal? Did he speak in a normal way?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, he has a house and works on Earth.
Paola Harris: How can you recognize them?
Maurizio Cavallo: You “can” recognize them.
Paola Harris: You can recgnize them!
Maurizio Cavallo: He asked me if I had noticed something strange in the girl working at the supermarket cashier's desk. I had noticed nothing unusual but soon I thought a little and said:"Yes, she had something strange! A strange earring looking like a world into another world. When I had seen her she had not caught my attention but, after they asked me, I remembered her. Some of them work and live here on Earth.
Paola Harris: Why?
Maurizio Cavallo: Because they must help us a little in our evolution, they don't have to condition us, they only must have an influence.
Paola Harris: Do they have a completely alien DNA or half alien and half human?
Maurizio Cavallo: Some of them are totally alien and came here when they were already adults. They apparently are thirty or forty years old. They just arrive so they don't have problems to get documents...and their DNA is completly alien, if we want to define them. Then we have those who are born here; they have an alien DNA but take a human body with a human DNA, so we can call these ones hybrids.
Paola Harris: Do you think that the Government knows about it?
Maurizio Cavallo: Not all the men in the Government, only a few.
Paola Harris: The women look like movie stars.
Maurizio Cavallo: They are gorgeous. You must note one thing: these are Polaroid photos made without developing process and there is always an abnormal light absorption because they absorb atomic light. During one of my last contacts, in a base under the sea near Genova...(Cavallo shows a photograph, N.d.R.)...This is a photo where you can see those who in the Bible were called "Cherubs", they are astral beings.
Paola Harris: You are incredible! You succeed in making these photos...
Maurizio Cavallo: Not at all... Look at this photo, you need much light...there is a spaceship and you can see some figures. One of these figures is a Grey, one of the tall ones, at least they call them so. This is another Grey but of hybrid race, half human and half alien.
Paola Harris: Where did you take this photo?
Maurizio Cavallo: In the base:
Paola Harris: How did they bring you?
Maurizio Cavallo: Physically, last year.
Paola Harris: How did it happen?
Maurizio Cavallo: By now there is a symbiosis. I start feeling very nervous and troubled, I am very anxious and let my intuition to drive me. When these feelings are very strong I go to certain places. When I arrive in one of these places I meet a physical being part of the alien world who drives me to the base.
Paola Harris: How did they bring you to that base?
Maurizio Cavallo: In a very normal boat. We left the harbour, we went to a certain point in the sea and then the water around started to whirl; I was scared, of course , because it looked. like a hurricane, then we and our boat started to go down. While I was going down, all around me I could see a crystal wall, water was liquid no more, it was solid. Water walls were solid like a tunnel and we went down till a point where those walls opened like rays. We were in the middle of a wheel whose rays were the corridors of the base they have under the sea.
Paola Harris: Which is their race?
Maurizio Cavallo: They are Clarions working together with another race.
Paola Harris: I can imagine that you are not a tourist for them, they have an agenda . They want you to disclose in a soft way such a complex scenario and to disclose this unbelievable reality?
Maurizio Cavallo: Very probable but perhaps the primary fact is they are instructing me, this is what I think, but I can also be wrong. They are instructing me so everything I see, everything I live and everything that will bring in a soft way this reality to other people, is mainly directed to my self. You see, Paola, we think we can choose and it's terrible when we understand that all we have done was not our choice. If I could go back to my past I could not have lived in a different way. I have always had different hobbies, I did not like sports like football, I liked to go fishing, I liked my work and my family. I've always believed, since my childhood, that the other worlds were inhabited. I have always believed that there are other intelligences on other planets...anyway I led a normal life until I was hurled.into this unbelievable new reality.... By the way, they walk in a strange way, they glide...it's an extraordinary effect.
Paola Harris: Do they walk in this strange way also on the road?
Maurizio Cavallo: No, on the road they look like normal people. But you can recognize them from some signs: they are very kind, they radiate a healing energy also when they are not speaking. When they talk their voice may sound a little metallic and low. Sometimes it happens because there is a sort of simultaneous interface from their language to ours, but perhaps their vocal chords give this lower tone to their voices. They have big ears and strange, penetrating eyes, very penetrating. But more than all you can feel this energy, this kindness, their energy. They emanate an energy so strong you can feel uneasy.
Paola Harris: In my second book I wrote a lot on how we must act not to be scared from alien races, first of all we must accept all the differences existing between races here on Earth. You have been very lucky. This happened to you in 1981, now, let's try to understand: Has this been only a contact or you have got some prophecy about our future? Can we give a hope to people?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, the only hope is that our conscience, human conscience must reach another level, a higher level.
Paola Harris: We don't have much time.
Maurizio Cavallo: We have no more time and so our duty is enormous. We must achieve a dynamic change. It is more a dynamic change than that simply of consciousness. And there is time to change our dynamism because they are two different things. Consciousness needs a very long time of assimilation. Everything that happened to me belongs to a program which started a long, long time ago. When they showed me images of a girl I could not recognize because I was not yet born and I recognized she was my mother, they said she too had been touched from the Lords of the stars and I started to understand that everything was part of a program. Many of us on this planet are unconscious parts of this program, also people who say they never saw anything. We only see a mechanical reality but I can see a magical reality. I don't use the word "magic" in a negative sense because our universe is, in effect, a magical creation and all the dimensions and the same creation that we think have physical parameters, don't have any: Matter is illusion and is only the crystallization of our thought. We only see what we learned to believe is reality. When the humankind will be able to look through this other window and will look at reality with new eyes, perceiving the real universe we live in, we will go insane or we will evolve. There are no alternatives.
Paola Harris: Perhaps the two things together.
Maurizio Cavallo: I have passed the two of them. I don't think I'm a superior man but I have seen things that nobody else has seen. These things taught me to be more humble and every time I think about what happened to me and what could still happen I feel so little and I ask myself:" Why me?"
Jim Sparks and Paola Harris interview “ Jim Sparks” on Jerry Pippin Show at Laughlin 2007
Jerry: Jim, why don’t you start by filling us in on what was happening before you wrote the book, and when did it start?
Jim: It started for me in 1988. Prior to that, as far as I was concerned, I had no inkling that abductions took place, particularly in the tens or hundreds of thousands. Also prior to 1988, I had a mind that thought it was possible that there were extraterrestrial beings, but wasn’t looking for any kind of contact.
What was the first event, and how did it come about?
It was dreamlike. I had what I thought was a recurring dream that some things were coming into my room, escorting me off the bed, walking me down the hallway into the guest room. We had a floor-level window in the guest room at that time, and I would literally walk out through the window with whatever these things were. My peripheral vision in these dreams was shot, so I couldn’t really see them. They took me out, walked me across the lawn, to the woods, then they’d bring me back the same way and put me back to bed, and that just kept happening several times a week for a few months. One evening, that dream was more vivid, meaning that I became conscious during parts of that episode. I was scared when I walked through the window. When I got up the next day I went to the guest room and was shocked to see the print of the heel of my foot on the lawn, and of my toes and the ball of my foot on the carpet. Our lawn had thousands of little flowers that I call honeysuckle flowers in it, that would stick to your feet when you walked on them. Embedded in the heel print was the flowers from the lawn, and the imprint on the carpet also had flowers in it – on the inside of the glass, with drapes and blinds and everything. There were also other little prints near mine, smaller and not as clear as my own footprints, like animal feet or paws.
Paola: Were you married at the time? Was anyone else in the house, and did they see this?
Jim: I was married at the time, but my wife was also part of the abduction experience. One thing was very strong: she was not to have conscious recall, I was not to be able to interact with her in this or any abduction that followed, and I really learned the hard way, but I learned quickly. You know how when you’re married to someone, you know their facial expressions, you know their responses to things. Any time I brought this subject up she would always have this programmed response. I’d hold her by the shoulders and look straight into her eyes and say, “Theresa, what do you think about this?” Her facial expression was one that I’m not familiar with and she would respond in some silly way, by saying “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” And if I probed any further and she started to remember it, she would respond violently. So I learned that whatever their agenda was for her, she was not to interact with me about it.
Jerry: What would you try to tell her? Would you try to discuss their appearance?
Jim: Well, I would see her on board from time to time, never for long, but I’d get glimpses of her and would think, “oh my god, that’s my wife.” And I know that occasionally she would see me. There was one time when we were in the living room and I had her gently by the shoulders and she was rambling on with this nonsense that wasn’t even her words, and I said “Theresa, come on. Come on.” She said, “Jim, I know what you’re talking about, but we’re not allowed to talk about it.” So I finally got a real, genuine response from her. Another thing she had said during the course of that conversation, which by the way I’ve never shared with anyone before, so you’re getting a good interview here –
Paola: I’m curious because when you have someone in the house verifying that this happened to you, a wife or children, it really helps other people who also have families. And would you please tell us what her purpose was, why they took her?
Jim: I’m sure I’ve never answered this before, and I didn’t put this in the book, so this is new information coming out. Because I just stay away from that thing with her, and I always have. We’re divorced now, but we’re very close, and if I just touch on that thing she sort of laughs, but she still won’t answer it.
Jerry: Not to get personal, but is this part of the reason you divorced?
Jim: It played a big part in it. There were other reasons as well. Nonetheless, she said, “I know we’re not supposed to talk about it.” And I said, “What are they, Theresa?” And she said, and I didn’t like these words, “They’re my helpers from heaven.” You have to understand that she was a deeply religious person, so anything other than god or angels is bad, and that was her interpretation of them. Then she went into a violent rage, saying we’re not supposed to talk about it, and you’re crazy, and she’d reverse the whole thing. Her response was so awful from that point on that I learned not to get into it.
Jerry: If she felt they were helpers from heaven, who did you think they were?
Jim: In the early months, at first I had no clue whatsoever. As things progressed, I learned that these guys use screen images. They’ll do whatever it takes to subdue and handle human beings with the least resistance. Their minds can project images that lead you to believe it’s something that you feel comfortable with, or uncomfortable with. If you’re a very religious person, they’ll come across with the message that they’re angels from god and that they’re here to help you, so please lie on this gurney. If you’re into that, that’s what you’re thinking and you’ll just cooperate. If you’re very much afraid of demonic forces, they’ll do a flip and tell you that the devil will hurt you if you don’t listen to us. There was a point when they came on to me with the religious thing, and I said, “yeah right. God has angels that fly around in UFOs.” And they stopped that. Then the next ploy, because I was always angry and I wasn’t having any of it – I knew it was all technology, I just didn’t know what they were. So they tried telling me they were demonic, they’re evil, they’ll hurt me if I don’t cooperate. And I said, right, well turn me loose and I’ll squeeze your fat little – and I couldn’t do that to the devil, could I? They couldn’t retaliate to that kind of tortured logic. Now, I know that with abductees, they try all kinds of different things to get you to cooperate, and then they primarily take the memory away before you go back. But in my case, I caught on to those games they played early on, I resisted them early on, and so they stopped playing. The rest of it was what they really were.
Jerry: And what is that?
Jim: Ninety to ninety-five percent of my interaction with them has been with the greys. They’re not forthcoming.
Paola: Are they little robotic beings, or do they look more like cloned beings?
Jim: There are two types. There’s what I call the true aliens, and then there are the worker beings. The worker beings, in my experience, is what is encountered by most abductees, about ninety percent, and they think these are aliens, for good reason. They’re three to three and a half feet tall, their heads are very big, they do have the almond-shaped eyes, but I know them to be half biological and half robotic. They are created beings just for that work. I’ve seen them with reptilians, carrying on tasks, I’ve seen them with the greys, carrying on tasks, and on very rare occasions, only a couple of times over nineteen years, I’ve seen them with something that looks humanoid, dressed in robes. I know they’re created worker beings. The greys are about a foot taller, their eyes are much bigger than ours but certainly not the big almond-shaped eyes that people describe. Also, their skin is leathery and you can see wrinkles, and you can see individuality in them while the worker beings all look exactly alike.
Paola: Did they ever give you a name?
Jim: Twice. I almost called the book “Star People.” The reason was, during the first six years which were very painful and traumatic, I always found myself in the same place, which was on board this craft, in the same room, sitting on this bench, paralyzed. In front of me was a table with a screen on it, a teaching machine. It could interact with you using artificial intelligence. What was eerie about this machine is that you could sense living tissue or living thoughts. These guys don’t have the same social outlook as we do. How many thousands of years have they gone on without worrying whether something is biological or robotic, they’re past all that. But you could always sense that bit of life in the machine, and in the table. I got over all that discomfort as the years progressed. Now one thing about their nature is that they don’t like questions, absolutely can’t stand questions. Why? Because it’s always the same thing. Every time they encounter humans, we’re going to say, “Who are you? Where are you from? Why are you here? What’s it like?” We can’t help ourselves. So what I’ve learned over the years is, don’t ask, they’ll tell you when they’re ready. But in those early years there were tasks they wanted me to perform, experiments that I had to be a part of, this language thing where I was converting our letters into symbols, and I was highly resistant to anything on their agenda. I fought them tooth and nail, any way I could mess them up I always did. However, it was based on reward and punishment.
Jerry: Like the way we treat animals, or prisoners.
Jim: Right. Now, there was one session where I had done particularly well and cooperated particularly well, I just wanted to get out of there. They would give rewards, like playing with a piece of equipment, or having one question answered. You get corny answers, but it’s the truth. So one of my questions was, “Who are you people, where are you from?” The answer was “We’re star people.” I got angry. I thought, I’m people, you’re not people. But Star People meant they were from the stars. I was going to name the book Star People, because that’s what they said they were. But then I had an experience several years later, just before the book came out, which was witnessed by several other people as well. It’s always nice when other people are able to verify your experiences. They referred to themselves as the Keepers, and they are here to take their people home to a better place.
Jerry: They consider us their people?
Jim: Yeah. And not that I’m agreeing with this and that I embrace alien culture, but things are starting to come out in terms of the environmental issues… When they said the Keepers, I was driving on a highway between Naples, FL and Fort Myers Beach when a craft appeared. The Keepers’ crafts look like diamonds or like pyramids, one upside down on top of the other, and they change color, they reflect light or they can be a whitewash white. I associate that with the Keepers. As I was driving down the highway it looked like a sailboat sailing across the road. There’s this sail going across the road and it’s the top of a craft, and the bottom is going through the dirt as if it’s not even there. Most people who saw that would just think it’s a sailboat and it wouldn’t even register, but that’s how they do things. At that point they wanted me to see what they were and it sailed through the street, and it rose up at a forty-five degree angle and appeared as a craft. What was transmitted to me telepathically, and what I wrote, was that the keepers are here to take their people home to a better place. Not to a better world, which was what I expected them to say, but to a better place. I saw them collecting seeds from every plant, every animal, humans, everything and you can see it in this craft. That was ten years ago. So Star People was the first name they used, then they changed to the Keepers, and I thought that was more appropriate so that’s what I used for the book title.
Paola: So they’re predicting some problems down the road. Did they give you any details?
Jim: It was six years of being paralyzed for me, on board, in the same room, and then I took part in a mass abduction where I was free for the first time to move around. It was unique in many ways. I wasn’t paralyzed, I was calming people, it was a mass abduction, and I got to see what they were doing on a mass agenda, on a global basis. They were picking up people all over the globe and taking then to one destination, in this case a clearing in the woods, and then other crafts came and took them onto a bigger ship to get an environmental lesson. Primarily the condition of what the planet was like, and then what the planet is like, and saying we’re killing our planet. For myself personally soon after that what I saw was many hundreds of humans being indoctrinated into this understanding. Then it was given to me to take responsibility for the rain forests. I formed a foundation called Your Earth, it is not yet active. What I’ve learned from all this is timing. No matter how bad I may want to do something, the timing has to be on their agenda and then it works. If not, you’re just wrestling against it and nothing happens. Now things are starting to go because they said to go in this direction.
Paola: Is that why you wrote the book and why you’re talking right now, because the time is right and things are happening?
Paola: Because there are a lot of things going on right now, your book, a lot of people speaking, the O’Hare sighting, the sightings in London…so whatever they predicted, is it close at hand?
Jim: Environmentally, yes, and that made me sad. I’m seeing things that I hadn’t seen before concerning global awareness, and commitments are starting to be made. The point is that what bothered me for many years, and what frustrated me because I couldn’t do anything about it, was that I had a visitation—I used to get pulled out of my living room or my bedroom in a horrific, traumatic way. And the transport is not easy on your body.
Jerry: What does it feel like?
Jim: Well, there’s the hard way and the easy way.
Jerry: Do you get a choice?
Jim: It depends on what they’re doing. If the crafts are on the ground, and they come to escort you out of your home, they create an energy field that renders invisibility and the ability to walk through walls. They walk with you, holding your arms as you walk through a wall or window, and that’s the easy way. The hard way is when the crafts are in flight and they pull you. The first sensation of any knowledge that something is about to happen is this low rpm whirling sound, that gets faster and faster, and then this sensation in the pit of your stomach that something is rising up to your chest. This is scary. It’s like a beam of energy. You know that they’re flying by, so this is something they’re focusing on you that will transport matter. When it reaches your chest, your heart races and adrenaline drops into your system. Then the sensation of extreme acceleration, but instead of going up, you feel like you‘re being pulled down. Now while you’re hearing this whirling sound, your heart is racing, you’re getting this acceleration, and all you can do is scream inside your head, because you can’t open your mouth, and you’re just thinking, “I don’t want to die!” It always feels like it’s going to kill you. And then you black out. When you come to, you’re nauseous, you’re sick, but you’re at point B. It’s happened so many times I’ve lost count. I know I always live.
Jerry: Now when they take you up into the moving ship, is that like a tractor beam?
Jim: Well, I don’t know, because when I’m in it I can’t see it. So the interaction has evolved tremendously in the last thirteen years relative to the first six. Interaction is now almost on human terms, where I know where to go, and I physically drive myself there and we have a meeting. There was one being I had met up with who expressed that we had at that time four or five years to stop the destruction of the rain forests and still be able to return it to what it was. That deadline has passed, but it is still encouraging in that we can still save it, but we can’t bring back all that we’ve lost.
Jerry: That’s kind of an encouraging thought. Now I’m interested in this craft. So you’ve got hundreds of people up there, what, standing around in a gymnasium?
Jim: Things seem to expand or contract as needed.
Jerry: So it’s been nineteen years of incredible experiences. Paola Harris is with us, and you’ve traveled the world, Paola, this is probably the most detailed thing we’ve heard.
Paola: Well, it’s wonderful because he can recall it, it’s not a hypnotic recall, and also he’s been able to reason out why they took him and what their agenda is, which many contactees still don’t know the reason. What he did yesterday in his presentation was show a documentary that had a lot of famous people, John Mack, Linda Howe… It had a lot of famous researchers in it, but this documentary was made by a person who was involved in the mass abduction. So I was asking myself the whole time, was this programmed by the Keepers for us to see, was that why the documentary was made? Because the man who was interviewing him was in the mass abduction.
Jim: Well, to answer directly and then expound on it, yes, it was. That whole first experience of not being paralyzed, had an elation about it. Because I was privy to the fact that there was a plan by these guys, the environmental thing. During this mass abduction I could see all the intricate workings of it, how they bring the people on board, how they hook them up, how they put them on this monitor thing. I hear abductees say that they’re environmentally inclined after their abduction but they don’t know why. I know why, because I see what they put them through. There was one individual that I was paying a lot of personal attention to during that last abduction that lasted a couple of hours, and then I got to see that person in real life here. Maybe I should talk about that a bit.
I got pulled, I found myself in a clearing in the woods. This was the first time I had ever not been on board, and I was able to move around. I would say that the clearing was about a hundred yards, like the size of a football field. I was standing up, and below me were people piled on the ground, about fifteen of them, mostly nude, some in their nightclothes. Obviously they’d been in bed when they were pulled, and they were all paralyzed. There was one guy standing to my right, and he was fully dressed in a short sleeved shirt, slacks, brown leather shoes. He kept repeating, zombie-like, “I was driving my car, I was driving my car.” There was a woman on the ground to my left. She was in her nightclothes, in the fetal position, just rocking back and forth, horrified. And then there was a grey standing in this group. To the left was another pile of people and one grey, and to the left of them was another pile of people and one grey. So this was a mass abduction and they were gathering people at this point for the other ships to come and get them. How they got there I’m not sure, but I’m guessing they got pulled the hard way judging by the state they were in. We saw three balls of light come up over the horizon to the left, and one came over my group of people, another came over the second group, beautifully synchronized, and then the third one came over the other group of people. It was an overcast night, so they just looked like balls of light. But as they came down, I was able to see, for the first time, the outside of a ship. I was able to move, I could see the outside. Prior to that ship descending, when I was standing there and the girl was rocking back and forth in a traumatized state, the grey that was next to me said, “Calm her.” And I thought to myself , wow, man, I’ve got a job? I’m actually participating?
Jerry: Yeah, you’ve graduated.
Jim: So I’m not claiming to embrace alien culture, but it’s like the Helsinki Syndrome. You’re a trustee and prisoner now. But it’s better than being in a corner in isolation, and I can learn more now. So I put my hand on her shoulder and said, “It’s okay, you’re going to be fine, you’re going to get through this.” I said, “They’re going to take you into this room and they’re going to teach you this alphabet,” and the alien said, “You’re telling her too much. Just calm her.” So I said, “It’s okay, you’re going to be fine.” The guy kept complaining he was nauseous, he wanted to throw up, he didn’t know where he was, so I kept talking to him, trying to calm him. I was very close to him, his face was in my face, I was holding his arm, telling him he was going to be fine.
When the ships descended, it didn’t look like I expected. I thought it would be streamlined and stealthy-looking, but the bottom of it was like an egg. It was white, with windows all the way around it, and you could see activity in all the windows, and it was spherical over the top. A light came down over our group of people, a bright, bright white light with a hue of blue. I was looking up at that light, and the one on our left descended and that light came on. I stepped out in front of the crowd and I had my hands up in the air, and I said, “They’re beautiful! They’re beautiful!” And then I blacked out.
When I came to, I was in a corridor, with all the people who had been on the ground. I was told to lead them. I led them into a room that was about the size of a gymnasium or a basketball court. There was all kinds of activity all the way to the back walls, and I could see humans and aliens working together, just a buzz of activity. I was told to seat them. There were rows and rows of benches like workstations with these monitors. At that time I didn’t know anything about computer monitors, I didn’t know what they looked like. But these monitors were different from computer monitors. So I started seating people, and I came up to this guy I’d been working with before, who was so nervous and upset.
After I seated him I got curious and started looking around. They didn’t want me to do that, and I blacked out. When I came to, I was seated in front of my screen, and everyone else in the room was seated in front of their own, and there were a few hundred more besides my original group. When the monitors lit up, they all lit up at the same time, and they were somehow hooked up to us as well. I think this explains scoop marks somewhat, because these were somehow connected to us, right into the flesh either of the arm or the calf of the leg, and I think it was to transmit emotional responses to what was on the screen.
On the monitors came the first scene, a pristine, gorgeous sea, filled with fish, and a beautiful blue sky. The normal reaction would be, oh that’s pretty. But with this, it absolutely took your breath away. We were all totally mesmerized. And it went on, scene after scene, and you could tell that these pictures were taken millions of years ago, before humans began to contaminate the planet. And then gradually the pictures changed, it became uglier and more polluted, the water became brown, and you could hear a voice saying, “You’re killing your planet. Your planet is dying. You’re killing your planet. Your planet is dying.”
Jerry: Was this like an announcer’s voice?
Jim: It was like an announcer for everybody.
Paola: Was it a human voice, or a robotic voice?
Jim: You hear in your head, a voice that sounds almost like your own. There’s no mistaking it, it’s loud and clear.
Jerry: Did it get to the end? Did it show a dead planet?
Jim: It showed everything, from what it was and what it is, and what it can be and what it will be. Now during the bad scenes, remember that they’re pumping something into us to make it more intense, and we’re all just falling apart and crying at what we see. They take away the memory of the lesson, but they leave with us the emotion and the trauma. The good and the dark parts of the thing are retained when they come back. So they’re not remembering, gee, I was sleeping and then I was lying in this pile and then this ship came and beamed me up. They’re not remembering that, but they’re remembering the essence of the message. It’s emotionally powerful, and it’s intellectually powerful. So it doesn’t surprise me when I hear people saying they believe they’re on a mission for the earth’s survival.
Paola: But then you had the documentary. Did you see this guy again? Did you walk down the street and say hi, I saw you, you’re supposed to make a documentary?
Jim: No, I had to bite my tongue to stop myself from talking to him. I saw him several months after this experience. I was standing outside a conference in Tampa, and he came along with this huge camera on his shoulder. He’d been contracted to film the conference. He had no interest in UFOs, in aliens, or in the environment, and I saw him and thought Oh my god, it’s that guy! He walked by me, but then he stopped short, and he turned around and walked up to me, and we started to talk. He told me he’d been filming the conference, and I wanted to say, don’t you know who I am? I know who you are. But I didn’t, I bit my tongue. And then he said to me, why are you here? I said that I’d had some experiences that had to do with the ET thing. He started asking me questions about the phenomena, and I could see the expression on his face change from not caring to “this is me!”
Jerry: We often talk about what the aliens look like, but I’d like to know what some of these people look like. You’re a slim guy, in good shape. Were all these other people in good shape as well?
Jim: No, they were all kinds.
Jerry: So how come you remember all of this, Jim? And what did you do for a living?
Jim: I’ve always been a very straightforward person. I was buying raw land and dividing it into home sites, though even then I was careful to protect the trees on the property.
Jerry: So you always had this environmental message. Maybe you were selected because you already leaned that way. So how did you and this man get together to make the documentary?
Jim: Well, his face changed and I saw him become interested when I started talking about my experiences and the fact that it was related to the rain forests, and he said, I don’t really have an interest in this subject, but maybe we should put something together on this. Would you be interested in working on this with me? So we kept contact, and I went into more detail, and then I sent him the manuscript I was working on at the time. We hadn’t discussed the whole story at that time, but when he read the manuscript, he was enthralled.
I went to his house to visit him and his girlfriend, and he was abducted while I was there. And after that experience, more memories started to come back to him. He remembered the monitors, the earth scenes, the whole thing, and finally I said, Okay Doug, let me tell you who you are. I had had a sketch artist work with me years before, and I had described that gentleman to my right, and she captured him. I showed him the picture, and he got very excited. His name is Doug Redante(sp?) He went through some tough financial times, like we all do, but now he has his own aircraft. And when that tsunami came through, he got together with this German guy who had a water purification system, and he invested his own money in this, and they flew these water purifiers over there.
Now he’s always said, it’s not good enough for sale, it’s just for education, so we’ve tried to move it for educational purposes but we’ve never sold it.
Jerry: do you think the Keepers are proud of you?
Jim: I’ve learned that talking about things ahead of time, when things are out of sync, it does more to mess it up than it does to help the situation. So I try not to talk about things when I don’t feel it’s the right time. Now when you talk about pride, that’s an emotion, and the greys don’t have emotion. There’s no ego there. The reptilian beings, who get the bad rap for everything in my experience, they’re the good guys. There’s emotion there, they talk to you, they feel, they’re more caring, they’re intelligent like the greys are. There may be other races that are just rotten, terrible people, because I’ve heard awful stories about women being raped and so on, but I think there are many different races.
Paola: They never told you their name for themselves? We call them reptilians, but I’m sure they don’t call themselves that.
Jim: I’m so non-selfish when I’m around these guys, I don’t ask them questions like this. I ask them to do simple little things, like before we part, can you wave? Here I have access to these beings from elsewhere in the universe, with all this technology and all this knowledge, and all I ask for is a wave when they leave.
Jerry: Have you built up any relationships with them?
Jim: When I stay tight-lipped about some things, it’s because I’m in a sensitive area. Interaction will take place that I know I shouldn’t talk about yet. I’ll wait a few months and then talk about it, because for one thing, the trail is now cold. There are people who want to track me. I also wait because I see things in a different perspective, I get the full picture as each interaction takes place. I know certain things now. I know for a fact that time travel is not just possible, it’s done. It’s routine. I know that the biggest problem is not just the environment, it’s our own longevity. The problem we have as a species is that we don’t live long enough. About the time good people start to figure things out, we die. And that sets us up to constantly make the same mistakes over and over. You can see it with our children, when you try to teach them about your life experiences, you know they’ll take part of what you say and they’ll make their own mistakes anyway.
Paola: So are they changing this thing about the life expectancy?
Jim: They want to see us do it. They know we can do it.
Jerry: Like the army slogan, “Be all you can be.” But we’re not there yet.
Jim: We will be. Stop dying, is the message.
Jerry: We can control our own longevity?
Jim: The resources are here. The technology is here. The money is here. It couldn’t be a better time to change things. Say you’re a very good person, and you live five hundred years longer.
PAOLA INTERVIEWS JESSE MARCEL, JR.
In 1947, something “not of this world” fell in Roswell New Mexico. At first the US army announced that it was a Flying Saucer crash on the property of rancher Mac Brazel who came into town to report that the debris had fallen in his field. Consequently, US Army intelligence officer , Jesse Marcel went to the site, gathered some pieces , among them several structural pieces known as” I- beams” which had hieroglyphic symbols in them and took them home . He awakened his wife and eleven year old son Jesse Marcel Jr. to show them these artifacts, calling them something not of this world. The material was lightweight, strong but could not be cut nor scratched.
The US army threaded Marcel and his family to remain silent and insisted that he later was to cover-up the incident by calling it a secret spy weather balloon which belonged to Project Mogul. In his later years, Capt Marcel told the truth as he himself knew the difference between Extraterrestrial material and a weather balloon. The secret made his sad and disillusioned. He appears in the famous photo where the real debris is replaced by a weather balloon.
This interview is with his son Jesse Marcel Jr. who was a small boy at the time and who spoke at a conference in Rome April 1sst . He has written his own book of the event called The Roswell Legacy. This Interview was done Monday April 9th,2007.
Paola Harris: We Just did a conference here in Rome dedicated to your father Jesse Marcel. When you saw the preparation of the Italian researchers present, what did you think? Were you surprised that in another country, they knew about Roswell
Jesse Marcel Jr. Well, it was very important for me to see this dedication to my father. It brought back a lot of memories of the early days of Roswell. It was very emotional for me to see my dad honored in this way.
Paola Harris: When this happened, your father warned you and your mother not to talk about it. Do you feel if he were alive he would be happy that you are talking about this incident now? At the end of his life he did confess to the cover-up and he did talk about it?
Jesse Marcel Jr.; He would be very gratified that we are now speaking about it all over the world.
Paola Harris: This is not just a United States issue but also of world interest. What would your father think if he were alive today?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: He would be very surprised about the attention the Roswell incident is getting now compared to when he first began to speak about it in 1978 when he began to tell the world that there was a crash and that the debris was not in fact a weather balloon.
Paola Harris: The Italians, as well as the world researchers, admire your courage and we know this is the 60th anniversary of the Roswell Incident in July. You have decided to come forth with the book now considering you are in the military in the US army. How long has it taken you to make this book?
Jesse Marcel Jr : It started a couple of years ago when I was in Iraq as a surgeon. I started writing some brief notes about those days in Roswell as I knew it as an eleven -year old boy when all this happened. The book is going to be about the family history, the family contribution to the Roswell event. Paola Harris : Also your own personal testimony is important because you did see the pieces.
Jesse Marcel Jr.: Yes! I saw the pieces. I knew it was the real thing. I knew that they were not man made. I knew back then that we were not alone, that there are people out there who are smarter than we are because they could get to us from wherever they came from.
Paola Harris: You realized also later in your life that it was being covered up. Did you ever have any nervousness or fear about talking about it before your father did?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: For many years we did not talk about it in our family because we were told not to talk about this. Only after my dad started talking about this years later in 1978, I did not feel comfortable discussing it publicly at that time. He was quite old and I was not home at that time. I did not officially begin talking about it until my father passed on.
Paola Harris: Did you ever have an in -depth conversation with your father, just you and he?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: We compared notes as to what we saw, what the symbols looked like, the colors, the shape of the material and what it really meant to us!
Paola Harris So during your lifetime, you always knew you were not alone?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: Since 1947 I knew we were not alone
Paola Harris: Did you then spend a lot of time looking up in the sky?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: It interested me in Cosmology and the photos from the Hubble telescope. There are stars out there that are inhabitable and there are people out there and I’ve known that since 1947.
Paola Harris: I like the idea that you use the term “people.” Colonel Philip Corso in his book The Day after Roswell says that there were many races of extraterrestrials categorized in the Pentagon. There are not only Clones but there are people who are running those things.
Jesse Marcel Jr.: I am sure that there are many different civilizations out there. They must be friendly towards us because if they weren’t we would not be here now. If they had something they wanted, we would not be around.
Paola Harris: So you think these extraterrestrial visitations are probably benign ? It is not a “ good” or “bad” situation.
Jesse Marcel Jr.: I think it is neutral. They are probably on a fact- finding mission like we would be. We are sending our own satellites and probes to other planetary systems beyond our own system. They’ve gone beyond that. They are not only exploring their system but they’ve reached our system also.
Paola Harris: Which means they are investigating us.
Jesse Marcel Jr.: They are investigating us!
Paola Harris : If they wanted to destroy us they could because we are not exactly nice, considering what we are doing to our planet. They probably would have done it.
Jesse Marcel Jr.: I think that if they had any differences with us, we would not probably be here. I think they are a little disappointed with our old tribal warfare system., that its still prevalent We can not get beyond fighting amongst each other.
Paola Harris. Do you think they are worried about our nuclear capabilities?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: I believe that the White Sands test site in New Mexico probably caught their interest. They found that we had nuclear capabilities. I don’t know if they are worried or not but they are very interested in what we are doing to ourselves right now.
Paola: The nuclear is potentially dangerous.
Jesse Marcel Jr.: Well ,It is the most awesome power we have right now. The danger is if they ever felt that we were a threat them then we might be in real trouble.
Paola Harris : Do you think that they do not want us to bring “ nuclear” out to Outer space?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: For peaceful purposes, fine. But for military Purposes no.! I don’t think we would be allowed to bring nuclear out to Outer space.
Paola Harris: You said that “we might not be allowed,”: That means that they may not let us bring it? Jesse Marcel Jr.: If they think we would be a hazard to whatever is out there, then like I said then we would be in real trouble.
Paola Harris: You are retired now so you have more time on your hands and you have a book coming out. Do you feel you have an obligation to speak more about the fact that you were a witness to this event?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: I am, not sure how much time on Earth here and I’d like to get the message out before I go. I would be happy if people know what I know.
Paola Harris: Also if people in Europe know. People here in Italy. The world.
Jesse Marcel Jr.: The World , Yes! We are not only Italians, or Americans or Japanese. We are citizens of This Planet.
Paola Harris: In other words, the “ Human race”! What advice would you have for the young people because they are the ones who come after us?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: Look to the Skies because there is life out there and I think it is important to understand that we are citizens of a galaxy
Paola Harris: You said you are happy to be in Rome because you are passionate about Ancient history. You love the history here.
Jesse Marcel Jr.: Yes! It is a beautiful city and ever stone and every building here tells a story about our history.
Paola Harris: Yesterday we did a radio show from Ireland so the Irish were listening to you. Do you realize that with your testimony is also “ history”?
Jesse Marcel Jr.: I know I saw what I saw. I feel very fortunate to have been present in 1947. I feel privileged to be a part of that history.
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